What did your friend say to you about the scene in France that would ensure you woud never play there? Hey ... you owe it to us all ... LOL .... Denny dont delete this for shortness ... I wanna know!!!!

Congrats on your collaring

Oph o

Sorry, I guess I should have elaborated but I cut it down alot so that people didnt get bored! lol

She stated and relayed several occasions where a female submissive had been raped. The management of the clubs seemed to believe that if you paid your money you took your chances and the police were never called.
I am guessing here that it is more so that the club wished to maintain its licence and that by calling the police they were ensuring that a BDSM club would be closed down.

She likened the clubbing scene out there to a meat market and that safety was of little importance to anyone there.

I do not claim to have witnessed this first hand and therefore I can not verify whether or not this information is correct. I do however know my friend well enough to take her advice and stay well clear.

She made some of the following remarks as a comparison with Acceptane:

London - Maintained distance from play in progress
France - People try to get involved at any given oppertunity

London - Friendly enviroment
France - Risky enviroment with sleezey people

London - Limits respected
France - What limits?

I did tell her that she should not expect the same in all the clubs in London and the rest of the UK for that matter. I did tell her though that in my limited travels of clubs in the UK that I havent found anywhere that would tolerate an attempted rape. Maybe it is just because of the group of people I socialise with, but in that case not one of us would allow that to happen to anyone of us in our group.

The one thing I am happy about is that I took my friend to the LC club, of which I am a memeber and support entirely, and in return I got back from the community a wonderful experience for my friend, an experience she has told me she will never forget and wants to relive soon.

I believe whole heartedly that it is our communities that make our BDSM scene safe, sane and consensual.

Oph : ty... it was a wonderful surprise and I am still beaming today... I think I may be beaming for some weeks to come

I did tell her though that in my limited travels of clubs in the UK that I havent found anywhere that would tolerate an attempted rape. Maybe it is just because of the group of people I socialise with, but in that case not one of us would allow that to happen to anyone of us in our group.

This caught my eye, because I really expected that sentence to end at 'anyone'.

Alright, yes, it could be very embarassing to interrupt a negotiated play-rape scene between two strangers and be told 'piss off' by the apparent victim... but weigh that up against the other option, and no matter what the odds are I personally couldn't walk past without trying very hard to make sure that the bottom wanted to be exactly where they were.

Obviously I'd ask any people nearby first if they could vouch for what was going on, and I would very much hope that anyone doing anything like a play-rape in a public venue would have told a Dungeon Monitor so that they could be on hand to calm down people like me - or is that unrealistic of me?

I don't do the BDSM thing to any great extent myself - I just like the outfits! Perhaps I'd just be a pain in the arse at a 'serious players club', wrecking everyone's roleplay because it was too realistic?

I'd really like to hear other people's thoughts and advice on the following points (and anything else related that I haven't thought of).

* Do you feel that you have a responsibility to 'protect' strangers at a club, or only people you know, or no-one?

* What signs would you look for to tell the difference between a negotiated scene and something that was wrong?

* Do you feel you have the right to interrupt a scene if it appears to you that something isn't right?

* If someone interrupted your scene, how would you react?

* How serious would the problem have to (appear to) be before you would feel justified in (a) interrupting, and (b) intervening?

* What would you do if you weren't happy with the outcome of interrupting a scene? (e.g. top says 'Piss off, we're fine!' and refuses to ungag bottom)

Maybe I should just stick to the dancefloor

Regards,
Denny

--
I'm one of the admins here on ukfetish.info...
Which doesn't make anything I say any more likely to make sense.

Denny, maybe I wasnt clear with my comment and for that I can only appologise.

The play that occured in France was NOT a negotiated scene, and what I was trying to itereate and did poorly is this simple point:

In a French club if you are a submissive you run the risk of being attacked, whether that be raped, spanked cropped etc, there are no safewords and no one stops it.
NO ONE, management, friends, and as for DM's there isnt any, so there is no one to take care of a submissive.
The whole point is that they way management see it, if you are a subby and you get raped its not their problem as the people who raped you have paid to do it... Does that make more sense?

As for rape play, I certainly wouldnt do that in a club where there is the risk that it could be percieved as being real, I would not expose my Dom to that risk. Maybe I'm being narrow minded and speaking out of turn now, but I think that it would be silly for anyone to undertake a rape scene in a BDSM club due to the nature of the way people around could react to seeing it happen.

No, I got the bit about the french club - and isn't that an incredibly nasty thing to even think about?!

It was the fact that you felt obliged to protect your friends, but not to protect a stranger, that interested me and that I was looking for thoughts about...

I personally wouldn't be able to walk by if I wasn't sure a scene was okay, whether I knew the people or not... but I can see how doing anything about it could get incredibly complicated and probably end up making you unpopular more often than not.

I thought maybe people who use the dungeon area of clubs might be able to give the dancefloor types like me some vague idea of whether there are any obvious signs we should notice, or not...

Regards,
Denny

--
I'm one of the admins here on ukfetish.info...
Which doesn't make anything I say any more likely to make sense.

As we discussed earlier in #ukbdsm, but to make for all to see on here I will repeat.

I'd hate to say yes or no as to whether or not I would intervene in what could be a rape in a dungeon area of a fetish club. In a normal vanilla club the likely hood of it is yes I would, or I'd get someone bigger than me to, or even draw attention to what was happening.

In a fetish BDSM enviroment it is hard to tell where the lines of consensuality is, but I would know for certain if a friend had agreed to a consenual rape or not - wouldnt I?

I think its impossible to tell what you would do until the time comes, there were studies somewhere about the 'What would you do?' scenario... We can never be certain

Not to entirely contradict someone elses experience

but I had a fab time at a BDSM club in Paris -
(there's a review on her somewhere)

And, I am also aware of hearing lots of bad things about some London clubs ....

I think the French scene IS different - but it's probably not ALL bad - just as the London scene isnt ALL good

Love SpiceCat

http://ukfetish.info/?article=155

Regards,
Denny

--
I'm one of the admins here on ukfetish.info...
Which doesn't make anything I say any more likely to make sense.

I'd agree without a doubt that there are good and bad clubs everywhere, regardless of country.
London has some awful clubs. I suppose its best to know where to go and where not to go

Denny

--
I'm one of the admins here on ukfetish.info...
Which doesn't make anything I say any more likely to make sense.

OK. I love rol play, but c'mon....a rape scene in a club?
in rol play both Dominant and submissive are actors who get into a reality thing which I cannot believe can happen in a club, unless the rol play is having a laff as , lets say, a headMistress canning a schoolboy/gerl wotever,I think I would feel like making my self sure things were ok for the bottom one,not only if I know them.....Regarding the French scene, I m not sure, I havent been there but have a few friends there, yes, some of the unconsentual stuff bleulittleme mentions happens, but categorise the French scene as broadly as that I think is a bit like describing the UK scene by giving an account of TG or any other club. Different things go on in the Uk scene, different things go on in the French scene,maybe we should make a bit of a research, there are fetish and bdsm clubs not only in Paris but lots of other cities in France, are we sure that saying that that is the way things go in the whole |FRench scene isnt a bit extreme?

Hard to explain. The article is good and reflex in general the overall of the Club, but there is one point to be taken in consideration.....what is it that you are looking for?
The venue is good but too far for my taste, the drive drains me b4 I get there,and Roissy made a bigger effort at the last LC play party, the equipment was fabulous this time too but far better last time.Where I m trying to get to is : I do like fetish clubs,I like a lot the fetish gear and the music, even tho sometimes is too loud the music at Acceptance was, to me, like I was waiting for something to happen. Acceptance seems, to me, a club for couples or ppl who , either cant play at home or like sharing their play for the view of others.Is a good place to socialise and play,like Bluey says, more like a munch with play. The fact is , if u are an irc person, u ll have a good time putting names to ppl and if u have a partner, play, dunno about singles. It was really nice to see the collarings, even thouhgh not my cup o tea, is always nice see ppl commting and in love ,it could also be a good opportunity for ppl who meet online and want to try play in a safe environemnt.

My view of this club is this.......
It was clean and well organised, safe and well planned.
Its not a clubbers club its a Real Players club, in other words if you want to dance and shout to have a conversation this is not the place for you, but If you want to play and be with friends or learn in a safe environment then this place is fantastic.
The resident house Dommes cater for single people who wish to play, both of who did a fantastic job at the last Acceptance (was called something else before it was made a club due to the infrequency of the meetings but now has a regular date).
The lighting is spot on, the music relaxing, and the atmosphere calm.
I have been to all the nights that LC have arranged and I can say that they are fab, they have learnt from the 1st night, they set up now to cater for the ever growing amount of people who want something different and safe, not just the usual hard club scene that's so readily available (mostly at high prices) but an affordable, relaxed place to meet up with friends or make new friends and play without the hawking from outsiders.
The only downfall I can see with this place is the high prices for drinks, apart from that for a dedicated players club it was brill, and I would advise anyone that's new and wants to taste there first bdsm scene or anyone who's into safe sane play with amazing equipment to pop along.
I would like to see those who are hard clubbers remembering why the club was set up in the 1st place and that etiquette is noticed.
LC aim to look after newbies and seasoned players alike and out of all the venues I have visited, personally for play and friendliness give it top marks, most clubs feel very cliquey but not this one.
Thanks MRK and mythy your both wonderful people and it shows from the amazing support you have within the bdsm community.
Red

Standing up and being counted is only the 1st step in the right direction ;-)

What we are aiming for is a club where people can come to play with wonderful equipment that they do not have at home in a atmosphere that makes them feel more like they are at a private party with friends rather then a club. We do not aim for a club that is the norm for London. Unfortunately because we are unique in our type of club and we don't fit in to the mold that is currently the standard it will be hard for some people to understand us.

As for the equipment. The Roissy brought down EXACTLY the same equipment as they did last time the only difference was where the equipment was placed.

The music is and was last time the same group of CD's. It is the music used at Rapture. They have for each club they do a set of CD's that they put into the player that plays for 5 hours steady. Each time we have chosen the Rapture compulation.

Saying this though I was speaking to ML at the last club and He said that if people would like to get types of music they would like to hear to me either via suggestions so I can go on one of the download sites or burn me copies of cd's if I give them to Him he will compile them into a working arrangement and that will be our club set. So anyone out there if you want to send me suggestions or CD's please do. You can email me suggestions or send the CD's to our address which is

London Communities
PO Box 196
Grays, Essex
RM20 4WG

As for whether its more couples, singles etc that really has very little to do with us. We have not unfortunately got to a attendance where we can choose who comes and who doesn't. The population of the club depends entirely on who books. Saying that though the same night that JBW speaks of we also had complaints that there were too many single males there. So there we have a complaint too many couples and also too many single males. The one thing we don't have and I have to admit is too many Female Dommes but then in the scene there seem to be a lack of them.

Just another tidbit of news. We are currently looking for 2 - 6 more resident Dommes. We do have a few rules though to anyone contemplating taking this position. You must be able to get there yourself. You must agree that under no circumstances will you take drugs of any kind or drink alcohol of any kind before attending or during the event. You must at all time play safely. You don't need to have tons of experience but you do have to have that certain something about you that says you do this cause you enjoy it. You must treat all there fairly. This does not mean you can't refuse to play with someone but if you do you must do so politely. There is a difference between being rude as a Domme and just plain rude. Not sure how to describe what I mean but I hope you reading this will understand. We don't pay anything for you doing this but we will allow you in free. However, this does not mean we will allow any 'helpers' you bring along free. We don't mind you playing with your 'helpers, subs etc' that you bring along but we don't want you 'only' playing with them. If that is what you are gonna do then don't offer to be Resident Domme. So hey if after all our demands anyone out there would like to volunteer drop us a line.

Also if we were to get enough volunteers you would not be expected to attend every club but we would like atleast notice if you can't attend it say a week ahead so we could get someone to cover for you.

Huggles & Glitter
^mythy^

citalopram hydrobromide, 3009937022,

phentrimine, 4268030,

celexa, =],

tamiflu, dgtkerxyry,

levita, 8-]],

tramadol ultram, 72904238171,

generic zoloft, eskxgrjxbun,

xenical, 0536,

citalopram side effects, =[[[,

abilify, %-),

phentrimine, 94783971920,

online xenical, 062307,

roaccutane, >:D,

prosac, 8-DDD,

revatio, cppsqlidx,

accupril, iszhmldapf,

Eodz7u hhsruddpwccz, [url=http://tkfaamlwuyko.com/]tkfaamlwuyko[/url], [link=http://hivsjqmpbzpt.com/]hivsjqmpbzpt[/link], http://myumrwuumgkz.com/

cheap viagra, :-D, ultram buy, 421, xanax purchase, 8)), generic zoloft, ljujmseyogj, valtrex, =[,

trazadone, 2663466, ultracet, sshrkkxupcws, tramadol drug, 0410124337, trimethoprim, >, valtrex, fgpx,

dkDYYD qadjxruyuvnm, [url=http://oqqrttatoqob.com/]oqqrttatoqob[/url], [link=http://tqomjokkpkep.com/]tqomjokkpkep[/link], http://vbbmftvrqkqp.com/